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Poster: deadmax Date: Aug 22, 2011 8:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: WRS vs. LIG

I'm listening to the Fall '73. In the 80's when I went to shows I always wished they had included WRS with LIG and didn't know why. I really love to hear WRS Prelude and WRS Pt. 1 because I think they are beautiful pieces of music.

I can see, though, why they dropped them. They are structured to the point of not allowing much improvisation from show to show. They don't all sound alike but they all kind of sound alike so I can see why they dropped them.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Aug 23, 2011 7:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: WRS vs. LIG

The WRS prelude comes from an era when the band ( and Bobby ) wasn't afraid to try for something "lovely" . I prize those WRSs , ( I really like it when Garcia's first solo part was still very sweetly Spanish/mexican flavored ), and the jams that could go out there .
That said, I can see why they dropped it, in favor of a more rocked out LIGs that came later, that fit the direction the band was going . Some of those 80's versions are just incendiary ! And as pointed out, even in the Vice era they could whip it up to a boil . Sometimes the meaning of the song (lyrics) gets lost or run over , but the instrumental parts are often one of the highlights in a show in the 80's .90's .

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Aug 23, 2011 10:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: WRS vs. LIG

totally with ya. The later versions are more about the playing than lyrics IMO

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Aug 22, 2011 8:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: WRS vs. LIG

I will say that I really enjoy a good WRS prelude which I believe is just phil and bobby... I always find the improv to be excellent, mostly with phil. Though I guess I hear ya on WRS pt. 1.

Also, we should note that the reason WRS might seem not so conducive for improvisation or change is that we only heard just over a year of that song. With more time we could've seen an evolution that would've made us think otherwise.

And another thing... I recall reading a Jerry interview or quote that mentioned his distaste for Lost sailor and remarked on it as being another WRS. So maybe jerry just wasn't fond (possibly along with others) of it and the song was dropped. Wish I could recall where I saw it, I feel like it was that big illustrated trip book.

One more thing, I'd rather listen to a lone LIG than the 73-74 combo, personally. LIG is where the meat is and there are a ton of rockin versions from 76 and beyond. Though it sure woulda been sweet if they brought it back once or 30 times more over their years.

ever heard 1990-09-12? I think it's vince's second show? At any rate its an intense version where vince totally shines along with everyone else. Not to mention I've never seen anyone talk about it.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1990-09-12.sbd.miller.74247.sbeok.flac16

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Aug 23, 2011 8:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: WRS vs. LIG

I think the quote is that it's "Weather Report run through the blender." Which doesn't sound to me like he doesn't like it; more like teasing Bob about rehashing his ideas (and maybe not improving them). I guess I can kinda sorta hear that, but I've wondered what exactly he was thinking of ... Can't remember where I read that, though. It just stuck with me.

I really love the whole suite. Not that I'd ever turn down a good LiG, but the whole thing together is just chill-inducing.

And I know I've heard them playing around with what became the opening melody to WRS quite early ... I swear I'm thinking of 69 sometime ... can anyone else pinpoint what I might be thinking of?


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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Aug 23, 2011 10:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: WRS vs. LIG

don't think I've ever heard a WRS tease from 69. I know 8/6/71 has a tease in the second other one (a tease if you could call it that, as the song was still developing at that point)

Would like to hear that 69 tease

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Aug 24, 2011 12:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: WRS vs. LIG

4/5/69 - at the end of Doin' That Rag bobby teases the WRS prelude.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Aug 24, 2011 12:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: WRS vs. LIG

Hmmm, I don't hear that on my copy. You could be right, but since I don't pick it out, I must be thinking of somewhere else. (I wouldn't be surprised if he messed around with it a fair amount before putting it into an actual "composition.")

I'm thinking it might be somewhere in the jamming during the misdated 6/19/68, which is really ... what? 2/19/69?

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Aug 24, 2011 11:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: WRS vs. LIG

I'm actually not very familiar with the 6/19/68 (2/19/69) show believe it or not. I think I'm going to queue that one up tonight, what the hell am I waiting for?!

The WRS prelude on 4/5/69 is a little hard to pick out...listen carefully with headphones. I hear it staring at 7:45 into Rag during the tuning after the song, and immediately before Cryptical envelopment (only lasts about 2-3 seconds). But it could (?) be different on your copy depending on how it's tracked. I believe I have the Miller version.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Aug 22, 2011 10:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: WRS vs. LIG

I prefer the '74 LIGs over '73 for the most part; they take this song waaaaaay out in '74, whereas many '73s seem a bit interchangeable. 8/4/74 (Dick's Picks 31) is of my absolute favorite LIGs of all time.

I do agree though that this tune does seem to get better in '76 and later years - there's some killer versions from fall '77 and I really like the early '80s ones too.

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Aug 23, 2011 10:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: WRS vs. LIG

I don't know the DP 31 version. I think I recently talked to you about my DP 31 ignorance.

The early 80s LIGs are amazing, likely the best period IMO for them. DP 13 and DP 32 (can I say OMG?) are amazing. With 32 taking a slightly higher spot than 13.

But CC, dude listen to that 90 version. Its killer, along with the without a net version. Both are epic.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Aug 23, 2011 1:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: WRS vs. LIG

I think i'll throw that on tonight, I do enjoy the one on Without a Net a lot

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Aug 23, 2011 2:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: WRS vs. LIG

glad to hear. I really think that without LIG is a top five all time. (boy I've been sayin that a lot lately, LMAO)

Everything on that album is magnifico but the LIG is a standout amongst standouts

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Aug 24, 2011 12:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: WRS vs. LIG

Damn, this LIG is pretty killer. Bobby's guitar tone I wouldn't call bad at all, unusual and a bit distracting at points, but totally listenable. But wow does Jerry shrrrreedddd!

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Aug 23, 2011 5:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: WRS vs. LIG

I think the prelude is intensely beautiful!

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Poster: adks12020 Date: Aug 23, 2011 5:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: WRS vs. LIG

I've always really liked WRS>LIG together. I mean there are some really awesome LIGs in the early 80s...like mind blowing..this one comes to mind... http://www.archive.org/details/gd1981-03-21.114710.mtx.franka.t-flac16 ...but I still always sort of miss the WRS before it. I feel like the slow mellow WRS prelude and Pt 1 builds a little tension and then LIG explodes. To each his own though.

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Poster: BornEasement Date: Aug 23, 2011 8:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: WRS vs. LIG

I always find that moment of silence before "Morning comes..." sucks all the air out of a room and makes my heart stop. In my mind, WRS->LIG has always been Bobby's Terrapin.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Aug 23, 2011 8:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: WRS vs. LIG

The air sucked out of the room ... what a great way to put it.

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Poster: BornEasement Date: Aug 23, 2011 10:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: WRS vs. LIG

AR, you're kindness never ceases to impress. You've made a relative newcomer feel right at home here.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Aug 23, 2011 6:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: WRS vs. LIG

totally agree